The Mailbag: Is It OK for Christian Women to Wear Bikinis? but i will look to the word of God , and i will talk to my pastor. 2And Abraham said unto his eldest servant of his house, that ruled over all that he had, Put, I pray thee, thy hand under my thigh: With continuous prayer, we have decided to proceed with her study but with open eyes to the objections you brought up. 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All comments are handled manually, and I do not publish comments which promote false doctrine. Joshua 24:1-33, Beyond Sunday is about being a person who is after Gods own heart a person who loves God first and foremost who places their love relationship number one in their life the person who does the One Thing the greatest thing first with God/Jesus love, Beyond Sunday pt. Though the consequences of the sin of instructing men may not appear to be severe, it is just as much of a sin as any other sin you can think of: adultery, lying, stealing, drunkenness, and so on. You do not have to know whether or not Im a credible source to examine the evidence in light of Scripture and come to the conclusion that she is sinning. September 1, 2002 ROger Oakland of understanding the times and a few good men, are putting together a web site. The New Testament knows nothing of a Christian whos satisfied just to escape hell. Until that time, however, it saddens me to have to recommend that Christian women not follow Priscilla Shirer or any materials or activities from Going Beyond Ministries for the following reasons: Priscilla unrepentantly preaches to and instructs men in the Scriptures in violation of 1 Timothy 2:12-14(as well as other passages of Scripture that do not allow this). Going Beyond Ministries with Priscilla Shirer The Mercy of Our Great God (March 24, 2017) Priscilla preaches the Sunday sermon at Celebration Church (co-pastored by a woman), Priscilla Shirer: YOUR Spiritual Battle & the Armor of God (Full Teaching) | Praise on TBN (May 21, 2021) Priscilla preaching to a co-ed audience at Passion 2018, Special Guest Priscilla Shirer (October 11, 2015) Priscilla preaches the Sunday sermon at The Refuge Church (co-pastored by a woman), What Are You Looking At | Priscilla Shirer | Hillsong East Coast (October 4, 2020) Priscilla preaches the Sunday sermon for Hillsong East Coast, Women Teachers? My wife is grateful because of the resources, and because of what she said is best described as like mindedness,(She is sitting beside me by the way!) The salvation of unreached people throughout history. Another important point on this subject: Can you think of a Scripture that says pastors can give people permission, guidance, or authority to sin by disobeying Gods word? Maybe Im misunderstanding you, but it sounds like youre saying, Im going to Heaven and thats enough for me. There is only ONE requirement for salvation, and that is accepting that Jesus Christs blood took the place of our sin, recognize our sin and confess it, believe that Jesus is Gods son. Introduction to Beyond Sunday Series: They teach a false hope that will eventually let you down and disappoint you. If you need more examples, simply go to YouTube and type Priscilla Shirer sermon into the search bar. But solid food is for the mature, for those who have their powers of discernment trained by constant practice to distinguish good from evil. We treat God's written word with reverence, accepting it as complete and adequate, and refuse to alter it in any way (II Timothy 3:16,17). Like you, I also dont understand why believers behave the way they do- taking to task those who stand firmly upon the truth of Gods word instead of rebuking and rejecting false teachers such as Priscilla Shirer, when this is so clearly what Scripture says to do. Also, there are some great resources here. I wish this particular writer would have more clearly defined what he means by silence. Yes, all of this is important, NO it is not vital. Im not sure if youre referring to Beths inclusion of Catholicism, or both Beths and Priscillas joining with people who subscribe to Word of Faith (prosperity gospel) false doctrine. Priscilla Shirer on Hearing the Voice of God on Issues, Etc. Heres the thing. Here they are promoting silence. Was Jesus gossiping in Matthew 16:6, 11,12 when He said, Beware the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees? No where did she usurp authority etc. Yes, there are many more examples of Priscillas poor handling of Scripture in the Additional Resources section. They start, not with a biblical truth but with a story or life experience, and then they build doctrine and beliefs out of that experience. And i have my wife to thank actually, because she asked me to help her find some pretty theologically sound ladies, and it was in a post Michelle did that she found what she was looking for. 2 Kings 5:1-15 Give us this day our daily bread, and forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors. Real hope is only found in the true Christ of Scripture, and thats not what Beth and Priscilla teach. Stay the Path (book) Promo Priscilla endorses Bobbie Houstons book. Here are my 2.1. Furthermore, if this is a disingenuous comment/questions, you are being deceitful and displaying ungodly character and you need to repent. The False Teaching of Priscilla Shirer on the Here I Stand Theology Podcast, Is Priscilla Shirer a Sound Exegete? Thank you so much for your consideration, You are spot on. Our young ministry assistant, a woman, is using Discerning Gods Voice for our womens Bible study. Unfortunately, they depend on LifeWay to deliver sound material. Jakes church, The Potters House, where, during a Gods Leading Ladiesgraduation ceremony, Priscilla accepted the Lady of Destiny award. This is not a Church. I dont know half of your theological terminology, Part 11 - Matthew 9:32-38 - That's When Miracles Happen! Yes it is the little people or the less known that are standing against these deceptions and I am so glad that you are and there are many more. Bible Study Workbooks Priscilla's studies help believers to know the truths of Scripture intellectually and encourage them to experience these truths practically by the power of the Holy Spirit. She also teaches false doctrine (things that either are at odds with Scripture or arent in Scripture at all) and partners with other false teachers (people who teach false doctrine). With regard to books, Bible studies, even blogs like mine, I completely agree with you! 1. And, sometimes, basic is enough. However, a teenager pointed out to me that Abraham was called . For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive. She goes beyond what is written in teaching men, in partnering with false teachers, in teaching unbiblical prayer practices, and in using improper hermeneutics. But books and blogs written for women are not what 1 Timothy 2:12 refers to, and its not the same as willingly allowing men to attend (which is something Beth and Priscilla both do) an event where a woman, in an authoritative position, is teaching Gods word to believers, or accepting speaking engagements that are open to men. AT THE GOING BEYOND SIMULCAST, YOU CAN EXPECT: Bible teaching from best-selling author Priscilla Shirer To gain tools to study Scripture on your own To engage in worship led by Anthony Evans A powerful group prayer experience The opportunity to make an impact by partnering with a ministry Could you please provide me with a link to an article or video where she says that so I can check it out? Dear Michelle, Hope this helps, and thanks for the comment :0). 7,400,364 journeys have been made to this site. What is a defining moment? We only get to have the opinions of Christ as stated in the Bible. Isaiah 58:12. If a big guy writes against a LifeWay person, he might not get anymore invitations. Yes, thats basically the requirement for salvation, but Christians are required to obey ALL of Gods instructions, including the ones about not joining with people who call themselves Christians yet hold to teachings and beliefs that conflict with Scripture. Thats good, but that doesnt change the fact that neither Beth nor Priscilla turn down speaking events that are open to both men and women. read more, Scripture: Not from Scripture. In Acts 17:11, the Bereans are praised for comparing everything Paul said to Scripture to see if it was true. If they ever do an article on her, I will add it to my list of resources here. Thats a rare find these days. on that if youre interested. Well, technically, this article would fall under the category of discernment, but yes, I guess you could say Im into apologetics as all Christians are called to be :0). There are - Theres lingering sin. When the Bible says not to do something and you do it anyway, thats a sin. I've done this so that you can learn what it means not to go beyond what has been written and so none of you will become arrogant by supporting one of us against the other. 3 Tests Of Plagiarism: Do Your Sermons Pass Them. Heres more info. Personal experiences can be evidence of the truth of rightly handled and understood Scripture, but not vice versa. TO IDENTIFY THREE DANGERS BELIEVERS ARE TO AVOID. Our Ladies Bible Study started a new season on January 5 with Priscilla Shires Armor of God. ), The Treasure You Already Are | Priscilla Shirer | [at Joyce Meyers] Love Life Womens Conference 2013, Priscilla Shirer Talks Women and the Church, Moving From the Pew to the Pavement and Why Christine Caine Is at the Top of Her List at the Christian Post, Priscilla Shirer recommends Joyce Meyer, Ann Voskamp, Beth Moore, Jen Hatmaker, Jennie Allen, etc., Bible studies on her blog at Going Beyond, Priscilla Shirer speaks at Joyce Meyers womens conference alongside false teachers Joyce Meyer, Lisa Harper, and Sarah Jakes Roberts (T.D. Some of the points you bring up give me pause. INTRODUCTION Jesus taught us the way He wanted us to pray. With all that said, I do not say any of this out of ill intent, anger, or anything along those lines, I simply wanted to clarify, and say, that I agree with Michelles exegesis of (Matthew. Also, the small sources dont have skin in the book and lecture circuit game. #2- There are a number of resources on false teachers under the Popular False Teachers tab at the top of this page. Love Your Life 2018 (March 20, 2019) with Victoria Osteen and Terri Savelle Foy, Know Your God | Joyce Meyer and Priscilla Shirer (In this clip, Priscilla also gushes over Henry Blackaby who mishandles Scripture and teaches a form of mysticism. Just put the books aside and pick up His word and study it for yourself. Is there some connection between this article on Priscilla Shirer and Israel that Im missing? Its not like they bend over backwards to exclude men and cant help it if men stay, short of being bodily removed. She has no control over who reads her blogs. They are busy caring for their churches. And how their lives could be changed, too. But Jesus said unto them, They need not However, under Three Suggestions he mentions biblical reflection, meditate on His word, and Christ-centered silence. Theres too much wiggle room in this article to pin him down on exactly what he means by silence. Id like to see him go back and tighten it up one way or the other to give clarity to his readers. Defining moments, we all have them. where those who recognize the deception and want to speak up, will have a place to go. We do not build doctrine or what we believe about God on peoples subjective experiences. Again, just because its your opinion that theres nothing wrong with it doesnt mean its OK if the Bible says otherwise. It is people like Priscilla Shirer who make up their own doctrine and point people to their personal views rather than the Bible. What we believe about that is irrelevant. All of the resources and links Ive included are from credible sources (The disclaimer at the top of the list simply means I have not read everything ever written by every single resource Ive listed. Remember, the Bible says our hearts are deceitful (Jeremiah 17:9), so we cant trust our feelings unless they line up with, and are based on, the truth of Gods word. Or and be .. Enter your email address to subscribe to this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. They both willingly, and without reservation, preach to co-ed groups all the time. Im so happy for you that you have a discerning pastor. Though you may have become acquainted with her over the last several years from her roles in the movies Overcomer and War Room,she has been writing womens Bible studies and has been a popular speaker at womens conferences and other events for many years. Warning people away from false teaching is not gossip. You do not want to get rid of fear entirely. She has been doing so for years. but any time I have been to a conference where these women spoke and I looked across an entire arena of seats, very very few of them were occupied by men. Is she a false teacher? There are two ways in which living in Christ helps us live beyond our fears: knowing that He is completely trustworthy, and doing as He calls us to do. Scripture is very clear that people like Priscilla Shirer who teach false doctrine confuse and stir up evil among believers: I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them. My exact words were: I knew she was his daughter, but Im completely unfamiliar with him or his doctrine. Since I made that comment, Ive seen several endorsements of Priscilla Shirer and her materials by Tony Evans, so I guess that tells us his perspective and the fact that hes not very discerning. Hey brother Saiko Woods! - Jonah didnt smell good. Still, knowing his perspective and the fact that hes her father doesnt change the fact that what Priscilla Shirer is doing is wrong. Priscilla often uses poor hermeneutics when handling Gods word. "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. This is a very good reason not to sit under their teaching. As a Christian when we face difficulty God provides the means for us to be encouraged, but we are not just to languish in that resting place. The problem at the Colossian church (the reason Paul wrote this epistle to them) was that false doctrine was starting to creep in. I attended a conference with Beth Moore, whom I know you have accused also of teaching and preaching to men, and before she began she said that she was there under the guidance of her pastor and that if men were present, they should understand that her teachings were meant for women. I couldnt find these terms in my Bible! The third, Chris Rosebrough, is Lutheran (AALC), and much of his theology is in line with Reformed theology. Tools. That is why there is so much confusion in the flock, they dont rebuke the error as Paul did, but are now hobnobbing with them.. (Also, lets please try to keep things friendly and polite, OK?). What is your belief regarding Israel and the plan God has for the future of Israel? This is a two part lesson as we consider are we going along que sera, sera? -Opened new I and my attendants will fast as you do. 2. My previous comment with the links was in answer to questions that you asked. Could you please show me the Bible verse that says were supposed to be happy for people who achieve financial and popularity success by twisting Gods word, teaching false doctrine, and walking in disobedience to Him? read more, Scripture: Either way, while it is fine to fellowship and join with people of other denominations who hold to biblical doctrine (I have plenty of friends, and listen to plenty of teachers, outside of my own denomination, but they all teach and conduct themselves in line with the Bibles teachings. Ohmygoodness!!!! Parables arent the same thing as eisegesis (or Jesus would have been handling Scripture improperly, Himself), and its easy to see this by reading through (in context) several of Jesus parables. If you have followed me for any length of time, you have seen me raise this issue repeatedly regarding female Bible teachers and speakers. You may not agree with all of these points, but there is enough here to indicate that you should be very wary of getting involved with Priscilla Shirer studies. unbiblical) meditation. Where does Priscilla get the idea that God is supposed to be speaking in these ways? These are sources Im familiar with and consider doctrinally sound, but if someone digs up an article one of them wrote from ten years ago that says something biblically askew, I obviously do not endorse that.) Pastor Chris Rosebrough explains why Priscillas twisting of John 10 to mean that we can hear God speak to us is unbiblical. Tonight at church he came up and thanked me for sharing and said he hated that these studies got past him. Pink Impact ConferencePriscilla joined with faith healing apostle of the New Apostolic Reformation, Todd White, as well as false teachers Christine Caine, Lisa Harper, and Pastor Debbie Morris. Go beyond what's familiar. (Also, their main genre is apologetics, not discernment.) I've been reading a book by Francine Rivers lately about an old woman called Leota who loves the Lord and has an amazing impact upon the lives of other people in her life, yet is rejected and hated by her own daughter, Eleanor. I havent done One in a Million yet) this is supposition on your part. And His promises will never let you down or disappoint you. Neil Richardson has proposed that instead of getting back to the Bible we should go forward with the Bible. She is the New York Times Best Selling author of more than two dozen books and has had featured roles in movies like War Room (2015), I Can Only Imagine (2018) and Overcomer (2019). Priscillas friendliness and genuine care for Christian women seem to shine throughevery word she speaks and writes. I am a born again Christian. This was very interesting thanks for putting this out there. I didnt know I was reading and studying scripture wrong. Why do you think I do not? Armor of God Workbook with Video Access It is a sad irony that Priscilla Shirer opted to name her ministry Going Beyond, because this is exactly what she is choosing to do right now. #4a- Unfortunately, most people do read themselves into Scripture (largely due to being taught that way by false teachers such as the aforementioned and many others), but that doesnt mean its the correct way to study Scripture. Often God reveals more through discussions and scripture references. Silly me! Im not seeing anyone speaking against her except small sources. If anyone has more info. Contributed by Wade Martin Hughes, Sr on Sep 22, 2016 | 5,774 views This is a two part lesson as we consider are we going along que sera, sera? Paul refuted public false teaching publicly many times. I think I dont think I feel If youre a Christian, what you think, feel, believe, say, and do is supposed to be governed by Scripture. Check it out and learn about modesty and biblical decision-making. Assembly Of God. How is this different?. So we both have been grateful ever sense, me personally because; as her husband she is my most important ministry, so besides Church, we do studies both together and private, and then share them with one another, we also pray together and so on, but i know (because i have learned, and it is also true of men) sometimes women need women.(Titus.2:3-4). You may have loved her in War Room and want to buy her books. THE CALL? She does teach and preach to men whether I say she does or not. Do you think the stretching feels good? The reason I refer people in on line conversations to my articles is so I dont have to regurgitate what Ive already written. Matthew 6:9-13. Instead, she is dangling in front of Christian women an emotionally appealing and unbiblical carrot of miraculous and unique personal experiences with God instead of teaching them to properly study their Bibles and rely on Scripture alone for their doctrine and practices. By Wade Martin Hughes, Sr. Kyfingers@aol.com If that is you, let me save you the time and effort of writing another comment. Pentecostal. I guess I have to do some research on those folks. This is not a new idea. I do not think the bible says anything about women speaking in public as long as their not pastors, and she is not talking to men she is talking to ladies. NOW, I have to preface this with this was MANY years ago. He was one of the founding fathers of the heretical Word of Faith/New Apostolic Reformation movement and a mentor to Ken Copeland, whos also a Word of Faith/New Apostolic Reformation heretic. Watch videos of Shirer speaking, listen to her sermons, read her books, and compare them all with what Scripture says. on her, one of them probably will. I have to do more research on how these powerhouse preachers are false teachers), teaching unbiblical prayer practices (I cant find where she teaches women about contemplative prayer~ but Im still lookin! The proper method of teaching Scripture is exegesis. rather than on the Bible. Stories such as these are easily remembered, the characters bold, and the symbolism rich in meaning. But believers are to grow to maturity in their relationship with Christ and their knowlege of His word. Thats not an accusation, its a statement of fact. Hummm. No-one is beyond hope. Id also like to recommend my article thats linked at the very top of this page: Answering the Opposition. So, to "not go beyond what is written" means to focus on Jesus and His Word above all else. Next, youre not going to see an article like this from TGC or Challies. Popular False Teachers & Unbiblical Trends, please click here and read this article first, Priscilla Shirer: YOUR Spiritual Battle & the Armor of God (Full Teaching) | Praise on TBN, What Are You Looking At | Priscilla Shirer | Hillsong East Coast, Women Teachers? The Bible doesnt say anything of the sort. There are still some good, solid blogs over there (such as Kevin DeYoungs and Erik Raymonds), and they frequently put out helpful, doctrinally solid articles, but Ive chosen to use other sources instead. One of two things happens: either Im ignored altogether, or one of her underlings gets back in touch with me to defend her. Accused is a very loaded, and in this case, inaccurate term. Priscilla is Tony Evans daughter. Id be interested, too! 3. Did you mean youre unsure whether or not she preaches to men? Here is a short http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com article on Lisa: http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/?p=10843, You can also tell a lot about these leaders by what events they speak at: 1 Corinthians 4:6 says: Ive read her own account explaining this. I am curious, have you confronted Priscilla Shirer of this sin. Why would the Bible give us both descriptive and prescriptive instruction to warn against false teaching if doing so is a sin (gossip)? That must have been before she asked for (and received) her pastors and husbands permission to teach men in her Sunday School class. In a day and age where any type of hope is needed, especially to the unchurched, I would listen to either Beth Moore or Priscilla Shirer any day of the week over the news. , an unbiblical practice sometimes called narcissistic. They point you to your own experiences and opinions, not to Scripture, as your authority for what you think, believe, and do. Yes, Kenneth Hagin was one of the worst false teachers out there. Hi Osa- Not off the top of my head. There is no passage of Scripture that says its OK for a woman to preach to, teach, or hold authority over men in the gathered body of believers as long as she has permission from her pastor or husband. Likewise I will not listen to Beth or Priscilla despite the fact that they are both Southern Baptist {as am I} because they teach false doctrine. Now to Him who, in exercise of His power that is at work within us, is able to do infinitely beyond all our highest prayers or thoughts-- World English Bible Now to him who is able to do exceedingly abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that works in us, Young's Literal Translation After a bit of research on Ms. Shirer, Im determined that shes one to beware of. Id like to ask, was Kenneth Hagin also a false preacher, because he dealt extensively with this issue of women preaching in his book, and made several clarifications in his book The Women Question. Do not eat or drink for three days, night or day. My bible teaches those roles but thank you. or even some reformed guys or women who speak against Schirer. Heres just one example of Priscilla preaching to men: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fIzWbXvfps. 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