Updated On January 29, 2023. That mark was quickly smashed by Wander Franco (11 years, $182MM) and further surpassed this summer by Julio Rodriguez (12 years, $210MM). They shouldve gotten at least 3 guaranteed free agent years plus an option year for that kind of heavy payout, and even then its unnecessarily risky for the team compared to other early career extensions. The Braves are collecting talent at bargain prices, while the Marlins are paying too much for Avi Garcia and Jorge Soler, The Mets will pay a ton for for Brandon Sir Only Walks And Nothing Else Nimmo, the Phillies are paying a fortune to Harper who is the Carmelo Anthony of baseball (OK, but much better), and the Nats can no longer get stars to sign with them. Dynasty. A Super Two is in the top 22 percent (in terms of service time not performance) of all players in their service class during the offseason that they have at least 2 but less than 3 years of service time. That is between 2 and 3 years. If you want to be a continuing part of this Braves dynasty, youll need to give us a discount. Even then, Strider still has to match two of the best young pitchers in the game over the next 5 years to even have that conversation, which is not likely. Now ya have your CF 1b 2b 3b rf and strider all signed to under market value contracts and still have money to sign swanson and dip into free agent pool. But theyre the ones winning Championships while Im sitting at home typing on my laptop, so my opinion doesnt mean much. Besides, they could just as easily lock up those years of free agency at a somewhat higher but much less risky price by just waiting a year or two to make sure hes for real. Thats not the point Banjo Billy, If hes not willing to extend again in a year, well awww shucks! That kind of evaluation has gotten the Tigers and Red Sox stuck w/those two. Win win for both sides. Furthermore, Strider struck out 202 opposing batters in 131.2 innings pitched. Swanson put up a 95 OPS+ and a 14.5 bWAR in his 7 seasons in the majors. Braves are the smartest team in baseball. If they had done the same with Jurrjens or Hanson or Wood this wouldnt have gone well. Spencer Strider salary is $0 per year, including a $0 signing bonus. Have the Braves not noticed how many of their young pitchers have fallen apart after 2-3 years over the last two decades? Had they manipulated his service time and he was a ROY finalist hed get credited with a full year of service time and the Braves would get no draft pick. Story put up a 112 OPS+ and 26.8 bWAR in the 6 seasons leading up to his deal with the Red Sox. Really only has 6 seasons in the ML. It shows loyalty and commitment to someone whos earned it. Theres another alternative of simply waiting an extra year or two to have a much better grasp on whether these young stars are for real before extending them (as well as not handing out massive overpays for their arbitration years). For reference, Kris Bryant was a lock to be a Super Two because he finished 2017 with 2 years and 171 days of service time. Btw, Max Fried and Kyle Wright arent garbage. He started 20 times and finished three . "My goal is always to outperform any expectations," Strider said. Second, thats only the top end scale. Im doing the same at the end of October. Story 16.2 WAR The Mets only have one tool in the toolbox and that tool is green if you know what I mean. Striders dominance has positioned him as one of the two favorites for National League Rookie of the Year honors, as he and teammate Harris are widely viewed as the presumptive first- and second-place finishers in an extremely strong year for rookies (both in the NL and in MLB as a whole). It's also available for football, basketball and hockey. Kudos to him if he wants to do it; cant blame him for being happy to take nine figures to stay with his hometown team and to stay with this core of players but there should be a lot more on the market for him than that. Spencer Strider only appeared in one game for the Braves last season and was not very well-known around the league. Confirmation bias confirms nothing but poor process. Again, he IS a Super Two. With the holiday weekend underway, let's look for some sparkler Max Fried who was a Super 2 player is going into year 5, third arb season (1 year of control after 2023) is due to make $12.2M in his second to last trip through arbitration an will have earned a grand total of $22.5M through 5 years. Wouldnt be a bad time to offer him a 5-6 year deal at 100-120 mill. His great year does not guarantee future success as he has not sustained it for nearly long enough. In the past couple of years, they built a brand new stadium and spring training facility. If Swanson signs a $110-115MM extension, hes probably leaving at least $40MM on the table. Braves fans are setup extremely well. Cant believe that AA lets him leave. Swansons on the up. He touched 101 early in the outing. Guy is putting up Randy Johnson numbers. If you dont believe me or you think there is something to argue look at non Super 2 Corbin Burnes and Super 2 Max Fried and youll see that their $19-22.5M through 5 service years each is a fraction of the Strider deal, despite All-Star appearances, Gold Gloves, Silver Sluggers, and a Cy Young award between them. Later in the season, he missed the season due to a torn UCL, which necessitated Tommy John surgery. After an outstanding rookie season, Strider appears to be picking up right where he left off to kick off spring . Some young players start off with a bang and then quickly regress (think of Miguel Andujar with the NYY) while other players (especially pitchers) can get hurt and be out for more than a full season. Speak for yourself. It seems about in the right range. Read the article, be not thought of as a moron or an imbecile who is led by his ignorance and unwillingness to gain knowledge, which should be pursued despite the clear lack of capacity for you to store in in your brain! Peacock Sunday morning gamessome without announcers; Apple TV Fri night games). Core is in place for about as long as you want it to be. If not for an extension, Strider would have made the league minimum in 2023 and 2024, been Arb 1 eligible in 2025, Arb 2 eligible in 2026, Arb 3 eligible in 2027 and a free agent after 2027. Go Braves! Why do Braves fans act like he just had the best rookie season ever? Obviously Strider is going to take the guaranteed money because that takes care of his family for generations. Im sure a non-GM telling someone they dont have what it takes to be a GM, carries a lot of weight! But most importantly it sets bad precedent for the rest of the league for one team to save a few million dollars. This is how a Mets fan copes with his team getting bounced lmao. If they succeed in signing both Swanson and Fried, theres virtually no path to avoiding the luxury tax. No one here, or elsewhere, has any idea how that process is currently going w/Swanson. The facts say you are wrong. By all the offensive players Im assuming youre only referring to Harris? Watch our How-To Videos to Become a Stathead, Subscribe to Stathead and get access to more data than you can imagine. And with a World Series win in 2021 and another postseason run forthcoming, the NL East-champion Braves will no doubt see a boost to their revenues, lessening the sting of any luxury penalties that may arise in the next couple years. Strider wouldve only counted around $750K toward the luxury tax in 2023, had he not signed this extension. $35M (2028 FA year). Theres some degree of risk for the Braves in laying out such lengthy commitments, even if each looks quite team friendly in a vacuum. I dont always disagree w/you. I have even heard that the team holds onto properties in the New York area to rent to players to keep it affordable for them to live near the park. These cookies allow us to count visits and traffic sources so we can measure and improve the performance of our site. Anyone who can sign up to a website and verify a second factor of authorization can do it. Spencer Strider has played for 1 team, the Atlanta Braves. Command was an issue at times in the minors and early in the season, but Strider markedly scaled back on the number of free passes he yielded as the season wore on, finishing out the year with an 8.5% walk rate that was scarcely north of the league average. If there is a publication that picked the Mets, please send the link. Strider will be top 2 in ROY voting. The point being that the new CBA has ZERO effect on arbitration. This year they got a weak season from Acuna, and they won 101 games and the division. Without the extension, Strider would have been eligible for free agency after the '27 season. He played college baseball for the Clemson Tigers, and was drafted by the Atlanta Braves in the fourth round of the 2020 Major League Baseball Draft. His current contract terms are 6 yrs/$75M (23-28) & 29 team option. Since Strider stayed on the roster the whole year, his ROY placement (1st or 2nd) would only matter in terms of his team being able to add an extra mid-round draft pick for the Braves between the 1st and 2nd rounds as part of the new compensation for keeping top rated players on the roster from opening day forward.. No matter what, Strider is going to bank a full year of service in 2022, for anyone saying he will go to arbitration four times as a Super 2, the only way that would happen is if he sucked so bad in the next two years that he was optioned for 3 weeks to AAA for him to figure stuff out. J.R. Ritchie, RHP 3. How Much Does Spencer Strider Make? Nothing like leaning $15M/year against the cap instead of $1M by rushing to make a long-term deal with almost no chance of it showing positive value! Most rookies dont end up becoming Aaron Judge BTW. It will cost money next year. Are we going to have any money left for Dansby with all these signings? For 1st? Hes a big union guy. But blowing a 7 1/2 game lead on August 7 and losing 6-7 to the primary opposition is absolutely a choke job. The Braves payed for what they wish Strider turns into, but reality says he will never post those numbers again.Maybe Im wrong, but thats a big gamble on the back of 2/3 of a season. Its amazing how many people are just totally willing to ignore the possibility of injury or decline in performance despite the dozens and dozens of examples weve seen. Contracts are not based on the back end, they area based on value as a whole. Comedic relief regularly inserted by some sneaky good commenters. These guys are used to winning together, and I would expect that to continue. Atlanta Braves pitcher Spencer Strider records a career-high in strikeouts. All logos are the trademark & property of their owners and not Sports Reference LLC. Its about rewarding the player. Its Swanson or bust for them. The backend of this deal reminds me of Wil Myers, only in the sense that you have 3 years of $20M+ that start multiple years after the extension was reached. There is no amount of rationalizing that can excuse that. The New York Mets lead the division for most of the season. They are most likely greatly overpaying on those arbitration years. Harper was a huge part of that. His salary will jump to $4 million in 2025, $20 million in 20216 and $22 million in 2027 and 2028. You just need to have an Apple account and either a computer or smartphone to access the verification code. Lengthy extensions to position players I get. Its just false. Then he will still have one more arb year after that. Top 10 hitter in baseball. Salary: All-Star: World Series: 2021 Atlanta Braves: 65--2022 Atlanta Braves: Swanson 11.2 WAR. Thats only one example, but theres so much more risk on the free agent market (especially when looking for TOR arms) than locking up someone that could slot into that. Also just stick to one account Pads Fans. $1M (2024) Harris hasnt played a season and Olson will be an albatross if a deal in 2 years. https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/11/super-two-status-set-at-2-116-years-of-service.html. Owen Murphy, RHP 2. You can set your browser to block or alert you about these cookies, but some parts of the site will not then work. Why dont you whine about how well the Braves evaluate, draft, and develop their players while youre trolling. Because extensions, more so than free-agent contracts, draw heavily from recent comparables, the Strider deal in many ways paves the way for new precedent to be established in multiple service classes. What about Georgias racist voting rights? As for real estate, go check the difference. That means he had a good year, unlike 2022. Or theyre being proactive to keep future payroll in check and balanced out so they dont get caught with uncertain arbitration costs in the future. Outside revenue sources will be adjusted when available after the regular season. Strikeouts have the highest correlation with statistical fall off. Its not if Strider has TJ surgery, but when he will have it. Youll find that its a similar sounding word to allude. It happens, occasionally. Another pitiful troll comment from books. Just saying. The Braves are doing this a lot and Im not saying Strider is the one that its going to happen on, but I cant see it panning out for every player with an extension. So the Braves just paid $35 mil for 1 free agent year of Strider, set* Im not getting an edit button for some reason. This might be the worst extension overpay I have ever seen. This seems like something the MLBPA would endorse. Again, he is NOT a Super Two, and you cant in any way assume that he will continue to remain this good. So by that logic, if you are making $500K/year, you would buy a Snickers bar for $10 because you have lots of money? To my point, if we arent sure Friend and Burnes will make $27.5M, why would anyone guarantee it to a rookie with next to no track record, when the over is so little. Mets 6986: Three days at seasons end and 2.1 innings pitched by Strider in 2021. Austin Riley was signed to a 10-year, $212 million contract, and Michael Harris II was given an eight-year, $72 million deal. Its a let me pay you now and you cut me a discount later. Olson, Riley, Harris, and Strider are all reasonable balances between risk and reward for both the players and the team. Cant see that happening. Especially not when youre right, lol. Detroit couldnt trade him for an old jock now. Mets fans are horrible (imo) bc all they do is whine BUT they show up and support their team (while still whining). Logos were compiled by the amazing SportsLogos.net. I hope we dont give Swanson more than 3 years, even if the AAV has to be high. Just need to sign Vaughn, Fried, and Wright to extensions. Matt Harvey had a higher ERA and lower K/9 and higher BB/9 in his first season. I do think its a little harder in Boston/New York because success there translates to big dollars everywhere. . 27. If Spencer doesnt get any better than he currently is, hes still an ace. ~$9M (Super Two, Arb1) He wouldve made around $1M per pre-arbitration year in 23 and 24, anyway. Its not playing victim. The Braves have zero middle infield prospects on their top 4 mil teams. The Braves have always gotten the day slots. The nicest condos in New York with less than half that sq. @Run. hflew: This is the first pitcher (out of the 6 players) theyve signed to an extension. I mean this in total sincerity, if you love this deal, you should never manage a real team, let alone budget your own finances personally. Thats hilarious. @Pads Fans Him being on the roster all year actually means he WONT be a Super Two. Can Story even play SS anymore? They couldve done that with a 6 year deal for $45M with a $25M option. Beginning in '26, his salary will rise to $20 million, and it will rise to $22 million for the next two seasons. I mean I wouldnt even extend a player if they are going to get 85% or more of their contract by going year to year. So now we have $55 mil. Time on the injured list doesnt cut into a players service time, neither does short-term bereavement, COVID, or concussion protocols! This Strider deal might be the most risky considering his short track record and the fragility of pitching in general, but its not for an amount that would hamstring the team. You think that contract for Strider isnt a slap in the face to guys in that clubhouse? What it means is you get credited with a full year regardless of the actual number of days you spent on the roster and are affirmatively NOT a Super Two because you were given a full year of service time. Should just stop there because even mentioning that website shows a complete disconnection from reality. A look at the injuries for Spencer Strider, and the financial implications. Not sure who he /them is/are, but I betcha Freddie wishes he wouldve had him/them last off season. His decline in velocity at the end of his outing may just be a conditioning issue due to his inactivity. Musgrove also signed a team friendly extension w/his hometown Padres. For instance, John Blitzer tried saying Soto was worth almost $200M in excess value for 2.5 seasons, while still paying him $60M in salary. His salary will jump to $20 million in '26 and then rise to $22 million for both of the next two seasons. Plus, he didn't love being so young and already dependent on medication for daily life. Conversely, How about them Mets? The extra year of service time for Top 2 in ROY voting means that combined with his full season on the Braves roster in 2022, Strider would be entering 2024 as Super Two eligible and the Braves would have a year less control. I think its going to bite them in a few years, when they realize the quality of the product is declining. 4th year $30+ MM The greatest lineups ever? Hopefully he also didnt mean Scherzer, one terrible wildcard game from an elite pitcher like him still doesnt make him crap. LOL best rookie season ever. The Braves have no SS prospects at the upper mil levels. Strider has been excellent in his first full season with Atlanta, going 11-5 with a 2.67 ERA and 202 strikeouts in 31 appearances (20 starts). If they would have waited to sign him for two years, it wouldve made less than a $10M difference in his contracts at most, but it would have given the team an extra $20M to spend before hitting the cap. TJ surgery for Munoz, Greene, and almost every other guy to hit 99+ mph. When Cleveland was playing TB, they had lunchtime games. Enjoy the Braves playoff run while you whimper about what could have been for your Mutts. Theyre a tight group and theyre great young men, Snitker said. I am sure that actuaries worked hard. Many thanks to him. Cole has stated since he was in UCLA that he was a Yankee fan and wanted to be in pinstripes when he grew up, he was even drafted by the Yankees and chose college ball, but said it was a tough choice and hoped hed end up there eventually. Doesnt take a genius to see which one is better for the team. Lets say you are going to a MLB game at your local stadium and for-the-sake-of-argument lets say there are only 4 seat choices: bleachers $15, nose-bleeds (2nd & 3rd deck) $40, between 1st and 3rd base behind the dugouts for $100, and a seat in a suite for $150. Cohen signed Scherzer and paid this guy a kings ransom to win the game in Atlanta and at Citi Field against the Padres. Strider is now under contract with the Braves [] Braves righty Spencer Strider has been put on the 15-day injured list with a strained oblique muscle. But it would certainly not be enough to be among the top 22 percent of players in that class (the lowest the Super Two cutoff has been since 2009 is 2 years and 115 days after 2019). Sunday Funday is here, which means fantasy baseball waiver claims are, too. As usual, i was right. He hasnt even extended Fried yet, and this reeks of him knee-jerking his reaction to Fried probably not wanting to talk about extensions and him wishing he wouldve done something a couple years ago. Braves lock up Spencer Strider with a $75 million, 6-year contract - The Boston Globe A decision will be made Tuesday morning as to Spencer Strider's availability for the NL Division Series.. Spencer Strider made last year. The Giants & Cubbies will follow and up the Goliaths to 5. He will finish next year with exactly TWO FULL YEARS OF SERVICE!! Thats $25 mil. Spencer Strider's salary is $710,000 per year, which includes a $0 signing bonus. Brilliant! Youre lucky if you get to see them at all. He hasnt proven he can hit or play competent Ml defense. Yes, the name Braves Butt Head about sums it up correctly! These guys are gamers. Players dont sign team friendly contacts because they enjoy where they are. Do you have a blog? While I have been a fan of the other extensions, this extension scares me a bit. Doubt theres one single reason that either the Braves or Strider decided this was the best course of action other than it benefits both parties. With future commitments, he still has a lot to accomplish in his life. Its a horrible deal, set your expectations to hate it now, so you are less annoyed in 3 years. Get over it already, your team choked, you should be used to Choketober and Choketember by now. Really mature young man. Strider will have one pre-arb year then 4 arb seasons. Players dont sign team friendly contacts because they are happy where they are(Jose Ramirez disagreeS. So they can hamstring their salary cap ceiling by an additional $14M each of the next two years? If the right billionaire acquired them and they signed say Judge, Trea and Arenado, this would be one truly awesome team and their payroll would still be less than several other teams. Salary, Earnings, Spencer Strider- Birth, Age, Ethnicity, Siblings, Education, Spencer Strider- Relationship, Girlfriend, Physical Gamerz- Wiki, Net Worth, Girlfriend, Career. That could really escalate the arb figures. As of January 2022, 23% of starting pitchers in MLB and 26% of all pitchers have had TJ surgery. If the 2029 option is exercised, the deal will be worth $92 million. vs. NYM 1.0 IP, 2 H, 0 SO, 0 BB, 1 ER, Rookie Status: Had the Yankees given Miguel Andujar the same treatment after the 2018 season, we would be having a completely different discussion. In a general sense, the Harris deal is a great one, and Riley. People who dont have money always assume having money means being reckless with it, but those that have wealth and maintain their wealth, never spend it frivolously. Theyll probably lose even more money on those years than they gain with the discount on the one or two free agent years, which probably would only be worth $30M max per season even if everything goes mostly right for him. Not great to sign long term deals to declining players. While I suppose they are blacked out on MLB.tv, but then you can just watch them on Apple TV instead. Lets say he got 15% less than Soto, which if he continues to play like he did in 2022 is not likely, that would mean his one pre-arb year and his 4 arb years would look like this: Disagree on my mets. AAs notoriously quiet when negotiating. We already know its you. Strider becomes the fourth young Braves star to be extended this season alone, joining first baseman Matt Olson (eight years, $168MM), center fielder Michael Harris II (eight years, $72MM) and star third baseman Austin Riley (ten years, $212MM). Plenty that rep for other teams. Past that, I think all these extensions are based on the character of the player as much as talent. They tended to evaluate the Mets as having the better team, but not by a lot, but were going (fwiw) with experience and so forth. 18 He is doing well in his personal life as well. If you wait a year or two and he continues to pitch well, then his pricetag doubles. He is getting more then 3 years. Soto put up an .853 OPS and 149 OPS+. 1 Freddie Freeman, 1B, LAD. Roy would give him a full year of service time but he already has the full year of service time. Be the first one to comment on this story. Swanson is probably walking. 36. MLB, Minor, College and summer league baseball stats along with biography, draft info, salary,transactions, awards and more! This. No owner is changing that. Salary, Earnings Spencer Strider undoubtedly earns a substantial sum of money from his sole career in baseball. They are paying the suite price and hoping that they save the 10% fee for buying it at the window. What's the Dodgers' plan at shortstop? Win Expectancy, Run Expectancy, and Leverage Index calculations provided by Tom Tango of InsideTheBook.com, and co-author of The Book: Playing the Percentages in Baseball. Braden Shewmake, SS 13. He will finish the year with exactly ONE FULL YEAR OF SERVICE!! As a Mets fan, I hate what the Braves are doing. Half these contracts wont work out. This new contract not only finally topples that dated mark (in decisive fashion), it also surpasses the established extension records for pitchers with two to three years of service time (Blake Snells five-year, $50MM deal) and even with three to four years of service (Sandy Alcantaras five-year, $56MM deal). Why pay him more than the ML minimum hes going to get next season (if he even makes the ML roster)? Looking more immediately down the line, the Braves already have $153MM on next years payroll and nearly $110MM on the 2024 payroll. HOWEVER, because he will only have 2 years and 3 days, he will not be in the top 22% of service time for guys with more than 2 years and less than 3 years. But all of that is irrelevant, if he starts pitching like he did in Game 3 of the NLDS!! They will have their hands full if they get past the Phillies in the NLDS. Sorry for the confusion. In your case, the look that you should recognize for all the times you see it with that kind of personality is disgust followed by derisive laughter. Since 2020 was a short season lets take the last 4 seasons. Spencer Strider: . And as much as I like Acuna and Albies, the injuries have already taken a toll. While Strider was certainly pleased with the contract, the satisfaction he felt Monday extended to the fact that it appears he will be available to pitch in some role during the NLDS, which begins on Tuesday against the Phillies. Please logout and login again. And we're still kind of mulling over what's the right thing for us and him and how to use him.. The Braves dont seem to pay for peak seasons from post-prime age players, especially not at SS, which is about the easiest position to put a cheap, 2 WAR floor under, given fielding peaks in players early 20s. All of these pitchers threw almost as hard if not equally as hard as Strider, all had varying degrees of success, and none of them even made $40M in arbitration. I would imagine the MLBPA, other pitchers around the league, and the agents that represent those pitchers are all thrilled to see this contract. Golden struck out 276 in his rookie campaign. Seems like a good deal for both sides. Still, given the general excellence of this group, its impossible not to be bullish on the teams future. I think its even more encouraging within you're organization to know your going to have that nucleus every year.. establishing the players relationship through goodwill too for the future. The Braves are taking a risk on a pitcher who has 228 innings as a professional. Thats the salary of players in year 2 and 3. While no one can predict the future, ATL knows these players theyre extending better than anyone. Spencer Strider is still a rookie in the Atlanta Braves, but he's got the potential to become a professional.